Boundaries: The Key to Surviving Other People’s Instability

Ever feel like someone else’s instability is dragging you down? In episode 17 of the C-Suite Chicks, Ashlie Marshall and Whitney Ramirez dive deep into how to navigate difficult people—whether at work or in personal life—without losing your peace. The episode blends humor, honesty, and actionable advice as the hosts share personal stories of dealing with chaotic situations and reflect on their growth.

‍

One of the biggest takeaways? Running from instability isn’t an option—it follows you wherever you go. As Ashlie points out, changing jobs might give you temporary relief, but eventually, you’ll face similar challenges. Instead, they encourage listeners to develop tools for managing these situations effectively.

‍

A key strategy they discuss is setting boundaries. Whitney highlights the importance of saying, “I’ll process this and get back to you,” instead of reacting emotionally. Creating that space to process emotions is crucial in maintaining control and communicating respectfully. Ashlie also reveals her method of writing unsent emails to vent frustrations. She describes the catharsis of pounding out raw emotions on the keyboard, editing it down, and ultimately saving it as a draft—not to send, but to gain clarity and calm.

‍

The duo emphasizes the value of having a diverse support system—friends, family, or even therapy—who can provide varied perspectives. Whitney explains how different friends serve different roles, from problem-solvers to empathetic listeners. Having that range of support helps when you’re unsure whether your reaction is justified or just emotional noise.

‍

Feeling emotions fully is another critical tip. Whitney shares her therapist’s advice: instead of dismissing feelings, embrace them. “Feel it, work through it, and move on,” she says, encouraging listeners to allow themselves to experience the discomfort without suppressing it. Whether that means journaling, venting to a friend, or playing sad songs on repeat, acknowledging emotions helps you let them go more quickly.

‍

For those not directly involved in instability but observing it, the hosts recommend asking thoughtful questions. Sometimes, stepping back and gathering more information can help you better understand the situation before jumping to conclusions. When workplace conflict arises, documenting behavior and communicating with HR or a trusted person is also essential—especially if you're witnessing serious issues.

‍

Throughout the episode, Ashlie and Whitney remind us that personal growth doesn't eliminate challenges, but it does change how we respond to them. With practical strategies like support systems, setting boundaries, and processing emotions, they offer listeners tools to thrive in the midst of instability—without being pulled under by it.

‍

So, if you’re struggling with challenging personalities or just looking for ways to keep your cool, give episode 17 a listen. And if you have your own experiences or advice to share, the hosts encourage you to reach out—they might even turn your story into the topic of their next advice episode!

Ashlie Marshall (00:00):

I think the key here, you can't avoid these people. You can't avoid them or their instability. You could change jobs, but you're going to leave this instability and go to a new place where it'll take you three to six months to find out what you're dealing with over there. And then you're dealing with the same type of instability. So running is not a choice, right? Running's not an option. You can't avoid it. You can't get away from it. What's up? How's it going? C-Suite Chicks.

Whitney Ramirez (00:37):

Hello back again.

Ashlie Marshall (00:39):

How was your weekend, Whit?

Whitney Ramirez (00:40):

It was good. I was just telling Alyssa this morning that it's been exhausting week because I land Friday from Vegas. We land at two and then Ray picks us up and we go work for a few hours, and then I pick up Rome and then I have Rome for the weekend and then back to work, and it's catching up after being out a week. So it was a restless weekend for

Ashlie Marshall (01:11):

Sure. Yeah. Well, it's always hard coming back from being out of town and then trying to get back in the swing of normalcy,

Whitney Ramirez (01:22):

Especially

Ashlie Marshall (01:23):

When you're out of town for a whole week. It's okay if it's like three days. I feel like three days is that sweet spot. It's just enough time to enjoy and just enough time to like, okay, when I get back I'm not drowning. But a week is a lot.

Whitney Ramirez (01:36):

Yeah, no, it was. And I also took the week off from the agency to get a mental break,

Ashlie Marshall (01:44):

And

Whitney Ramirez (01:45):

So it's like, okay, mentally, physically I'm fully back. But that's a lot, especially having a 3-year-old because he's like, oh, I don't know what's going on now. My schedule got messed up. So we're going to wake up at five every day and I'm going to follow my mom around and clinging to her body. Like her unwrapped. Yeah, I'm going to trip her a few times, jump on her, give her some new bruises.

Ashlie Marshall (02:10):

Yeah, my kids were that age. Harley still sometimes when I come back from being gone, it's up everything she is underneath me. I go to the bathroom. Where are you going? I'm going pee. I'll be right back. Yeah,

Whitney Ramirez (02:33):

No, we're almost come in the bathroom and shut the door.

Ashlie Marshall (02:35):

I'm like, come on, dude. Yeah, you cannot shut the door. You cannot create any type of barrier between you and them for the next week. No. You see the fingers come under the door.

Whitney Ramirez (02:46):

Yes.

Ashlie Marshall (02:48):

Oh, man. Well, it was still a good weekend. I know you still had fun going to the farmer's market doing all that stuff. I saw that. That looked fun. But yeah, so we had some situations occur over the course of the last few weeks that we feel are really important to come on the show and talk about it. And one thing that really stood out to us was functioning in a business. No matter what role you're in, there are countless people that you have to work with on a daily basis. Maybe they aren't involved in the day-to-day. Some are, I don't know in any situation, it could be your family, it could be in a business, it could be anywhere. But there are going to be people that you work with that have some form of personality disorder or instability or anything along those lines that their behavior causes problems.

(03:53):

And maybe those problems aren't even affecting the business, but they're affecting your mental state, your own wellbeing. Whitney and I have experienced that a lot actually, and we kind of thought it would be a good thing to talk about how we have navigated that and what we have found that worked and gave you all some tips based on our experience, what things we found that have worked to get us through that. Because that instability can look and feel so different depending on the people and depending on the situation. It can be emotional instability, it can be psychological, it can be intellectual. There could be so many different levels of it, and it's not really your job to figure that out. You don't have to exactly find out what's not working, just find out what you can do to get through it. Right?

Whitney Ramirez (04:51):

Yeah. Figure out what you can do to have some peace in this situation because someone else's instability is never going to be your instability. And so it's like you have to figure out how to make it not be

Ashlie Marshall (05:04):

Yours

Whitney Ramirez (05:05):

Because

Ashlie Marshall (05:07):

Definitely,

Whitney Ramirez (05:07):

Yeah. It's like just why do that to yourself?

Ashlie Marshall (05:11):

So a situation we experienced was we experienced someone trying to diminish someone else's ability to do their job. And because we're aware of how that person behaves, acts, talks, and what we can read between the lines about what's being said, we were able to navigate it very professionally and we were able to navigate it in a way that almost diffused the entire situation. So when you were in a situation where you were witnessing somebody diminishing somebody else's ability, character, intentionality, they're maybe making judgements or making statements that you can't really determine whether they're factual or not because you're not there to witness it.

Whitney Ramirez (06:16):

Yeah.

Ashlie Marshall (06:17):

How do you respond to that? I mean, I know how I did, but how would you respond to that?

Whitney Ramirez (06:23):

You just have to listen really, because it's like you're not there and you're not directly involved in what they're frustrated about or what their feelings are. So you never fully understand someone else's feelings. So I think the best thing you can do is just listen, hear out their points and then ask them, Hey, do you want me to listen to you and you can vent? Or do you want me to help you solve this? Are you wanting solutions? Because sometimes people will just start going off and you're like, they're just needing to vent, and you're like, oh, I think you should do that. And Oh, they didn't mean it like that. You should tell 'em this. And they'll try to immediately go into a solution and they're like, they don't want a solution, and then they'll start pushing back, and then it just escalates things.

Ashlie Marshall (07:19):

This is so difficult for me, by the way, because I am 100% a solver. Whatever you're griping about, I'm going to have three solutions in my head while you're griping. This is okay, so do this. Okay, we need to do that. Okay. I'm immediately a problem solver. So that has definitely been something I have learned to do better, and I did that this time. I listened and I heard and let the rant go on, and it did help me to work towards my own solution, and then we got through that. But if you're the person being diminished, if you're the person whose character is being put in question, how do you navigate that? How do you sit through that and work continue to work?

Whitney Ramirez (08:13):

It's hard because, well, I think as a person that's already pretty hard on myself. If you hear someone speaking bad or someone having frustrations, honestly, sometimes my first thought is like, yeah, I suck. I should do this better. Or I think that's everyone. I really need to focus on this.

Ashlie Marshall (08:37):

I think that's everyone. I feel like I do that too. So yeah, keep going.

Whitney Ramirez (08:43):

Yeah. So it's like, okay, crap. I am not doing a good job. That's what I go to first. It's been a few years of my confidence just constantly getting crushed. And so feeling insecure already the last few years and then working on that with therapy and I've done better, but my first thought is like, oh God, I need to do a better job. And then I'll start getting very stressed and feeling a lot of pressure of I need to do this by this date, and I'm only here. How in the world am I going to get this done? And it's like, I haven't even felt that way in months. In the last few months I've felt super confident and I'm like, I know we're going to hit goals and I know we're going to keep growing. And then it's like I deal with that situation and then it's like I find myself this week being kind of scared.

Ashlie Marshall (09:54):

Well, I can completely relate to that thought where there are certain aspects, certain areas, certain times where you're like, man, I'm on it. I'm on it. Even though, even though I'm not quite sure how I'm going to get from here to there, I'm on it and I'm confident and I know what's happening. But then when you run into roadblocks or situations where it makes you put your own confidence in question, it gets more challenging.

Whitney Ramirez (10:25):

And

Ashlie Marshall (10:25):

I think this is something that I have experienced in my long years of being alive, but as you get stronger and as you get better at the way you talk to yourself, it does not make all of those challenges easier to go through.

Whitney Ramirez (10:50):

It

Ashlie Marshall (10:50):

Doesn't, and it doesn't make them happen less.

Whitney Ramirez (10:53):

Nope. And I was like, dang, I was doing good, and now I feel like shit. So thanks.

Ashlie Marshall (11:00):

No, you don't. Well, you might feel like shit, but you shouldn't. But at the same time, remember as you get better, and this is not just you, but anybody who works hard at improving their mental health or works hard at improving their physical health or works hard at improving any part of their person at all, everybody's going to come after you, everybody. It happens more and more often and you notice it more and more.

Whitney Ramirez (11:31):

Yeah, yeah. No, definitely. And it's like even though it's not been an easy week, I still know that I'm getting better mentally because my first thought is, well, when I actually write down the job I have been doing on paper, it looks like I'm doing pretty good and doesn't mean I'm perfect. No, definitely not. But I am trying, and I do think I could try harder, and I think that I can constantly improve, but it doesn't mean I'm doing terrible and should feel terrible because of one

Ashlie Marshall (12:13):

Thing. We all have room for improvement every day all the

Whitney Ramirez (12:16):

Time.

Ashlie Marshall (12:18):

Even today, I had a fantastic meeting with somebody who knows so much more about accounting than I do, and the conversation with him opened, oh man, there's so much more that I need to have my hands in and be doing. But I was over here doing this to which he said, that looks really good. Well, let's move on to this. And so it's like, can I do a lot better? Hell yeah, I can, but up until this point, I've done what needed to be done. So being able to look at your track record, you say you write down, you wrote it down, and on paper it looks like you're kicking ass, which of course it will look that way because you are, but it does help your mental state, especially when you come across other people's instability that are making you put it into question, right? Yeah. So getting back to that other person's instability and how it can affect your confidence, being able to have your own support system to make sure that that support system has your back. Even if your support system is someone or a group of someone’s that will always be like, yeah, you're kind of dropping the ball here.

Whitney Ramirez (13:34):

Yeah, no,

Ashlie Marshall (13:35):

Definitely. You need the honesty. Even if you don't really want to hear what they have to say, that's a sign of you probably need them in your circle and rely on that and take it in strides. It will do nothing but make you better. So having a really great support system of whether it's therapy, whether it's friends, whether it's family, maybe it's your spouse or your sister or your mom or your dad, whoever. Maybe you have grown kids who put you in check all the time. That's quite a possibility. Having that support system to kind of bounce things off of like, Hey, this is what I experienced. This is my thought process. Where do I land in here? I feel like that happens all the time for me, okay, this is what happened over here and this is what happened over here, but how do I find that neutral ground and steer the ship from there? Because we can't steer it in instability and we can't steer it in no emotional personality. We have to be neutral with that, right?

Whitney Ramirez (14:35):

Yeah, it is. We're still all humans. There's going to be emotions involved in anything and everything. It's just really how you react and how you take actions more so than how you're feeling. I even saw a TikTok the other day. It was like when your personal life is really going south and you're at work and it's like you're miserable and someone's like, Hey, just circling back on this. And you're like, I'm having the worst time right now.

Ashlie Marshall (15:10):

Yeah, I can relate to that podcast, that TikTok that can relate to

Whitney Ramirez (15:14):

That. And I think it helps too, listening to other people who are going through similar situations. If I like watching people that have just gotten out of relationships, and I literally read a Facebook post from a single mom that has a business, and it's just hard. It is super hard sometimes. And then it's on the hard days, you're like, Ugh, I can't believe. Not every day feels like this. Today's just hard.

Ashlie Marshall (15:52):

As it relates to just life in general. I experienced those days too. I might have different challenges than you have, and people listening might have different challenges than both of us, but there are some days where it's just smacks you in the face and you're like, today's just hard. Nothing necessarily happened or went wrong or didn't go your way. It just was hard. It just was hard. So I can completely understand that. But I think the key here, you can't avoid these people. You can't avoid them or their instability. You could change jobs, but you're going to leave this instability and go to a new place where it'll take you three to six months to find out what you're dealing with over there.

Whitney Ramirez (16:43):

And

Ashlie Marshall (16:43):

Then you're dealing with the same type of instability. So

(16:47):

Running is not a choice. Running's not an option. You can't avoid it. You can't get away from it. But what you can do is you can reverse it. You can reverse the roles. You can feel as though somebody's standing in front of you constantly pushing you, or you can do the work on your own on yourself to improve your ability to manage through it. And it turns into you're leading and they're following behind you nipping at your heels. That is a lot easier to navigate through than if you feel like that force is pushing you back,

Whitney Ramirez (17:21):

Right? I mean, there were so many times, years and years ago where I was just crushed some days.

Ashlie Marshall (17:30):

Literally felt like it was this

Whitney Ramirez (17:32):

All time

Ashlie Marshall (17:33):

Pushing us. And

Whitney Ramirez (17:36):

It's like I think back to those days that, I mean, I remember how I felt then, and even how I feel now is not even comparable, but

Ashlie Marshall (17:47):

Not even close.

Whitney Ramirez (17:48):

It's because we've grown and we've learned and we've taken steps to pour into ourselves and make ourselves happier

Ashlie Marshall (17:59):

And

Whitney Ramirez (17:59):

Make the team happier. And so it's really just affirming to be able to handle tough situations in a more healthy and progressive way.

Ashlie Marshall (18:15):

So when you're in the tough situation and you're not sure how to respond, because, well, I'm not going to say unlike you, but I think that I am quicker to respond emotionally than you are.

Whitney Ramirez (18:28):

Yeah, I'm

Ashlie Marshall (18:30):

Much quicker to respond emotionally.

Whitney Ramirez (18:31):

I freeze whenever someone is coming at me with very strong emotions. I shut down mentally, I shut down. And so it's like my brain goes into fight or flight, and so it's like I can't even experience emotions in that moment. I'm just a robot I feel. And then it's like after is when I process it and I'm really upset.

Ashlie Marshall (18:58):

Yeah, I am not like that at all. I immediately have a very emotional response to things. And if it's something that makes me angry, I am emotionally, it's like immediate. I'm telling you it is. I'm putting you in your place. But given the scenarios that we have been through the last few years, I had to learn how to stop doing that. And so I have done this in the past, and I think this is another really great tip for you out there. If you are like me and you respond emotionally, I have written emails but not sent them. I don't put an email address in the two. I just start typing and man, I'm pounding on that keyboard. And by the time I'm done with my email, I'm not pounding as much anymore. And I'm like, okay, let me reread it. And then I reread it and I re-experience all the feelings. But by the time I'm done editing it to where I think it's ready to send to someone, which I'd never send, you're like, I don't want to send it. I never send it. I just keep it as a draft. I just x out. And I don't delete it. I just keep it as a draft. But when I get my emotions out in that way, some people use the notes app. Some people make Word documents or have a journal. A journal would probably be a really healthy thing to have.

Whitney Ramirez (20:25):

I have one.

Ashlie Marshall (20:27):

I haven't gotten to a point where I have found time

Whitney Ramirez (20:30):

To journal. Yeah, it'll be like two entries in June, two entries in July, and it's like better. And it's the roughest days too. Usually it's not the happy ones that I'm writing about. Good. Never good one. So I need to burn.

Ashlie Marshall (20:48):

But getting my emotions out of my head and onto the paper and then documenting the parts that are important, what's the actual thing that upset me? Okay, why did it upset me? Did it upset me because that person's really doing something wrong? Or did it upset me because it's making me question how I feel about someone or something? Or is it making me question was I right or was I wrong? Whatever the situation was. So pinpointing why I'm upset about it is just as important as documenting me, being upset about it.

Whitney Ramirez (21:25):

Yeah. And that's one thing I learned in therapy too. Sometimes you'll really try to talk yourself out of even being upset. I shouldn't be upset because X, Y, Z. Or you'll be like, there's no reason for me to be mad, no reason for me to be sad right now because this is so great, blah, blah, blah. But my therapist is like, no, we're going to feel the feeling. Why did it make you upset? How did you feel when someone did this or someone said this? And she'll get you into the feeling, and then you're feeling the feeling and it sucks. But then after you've kind of worked through why you were so upset about it and kind of validate your own feelings a bit, it actually feels way better than just trying to tell yourself why you're not. You shouldn't be upset.

Ashlie Marshall (22:19):

Well, because when you go through it, then you're through it. You don't dwell on it. You don't sit there and try to keep convincing yourself that you shouldn't be upset about. You feel it and it sucks, and then you just move on. So that is a really great tip. Feel it, feel it, work through it in your own way, whether it's writing it down, maybe it's recording yourself, talking about it. Maybe you're calling your friend and screaming about it and they're just listening. Maybe you're

Whitney Ramirez (22:50):

Not. I'll put the saddest songs on to make myself really upset. That's a thing. Oh, I will. I can make myself so sad whenever I want to, but I'm like, oh, I guess that's not that bad of a thing. I am going to get myself really sad and feel the feelings that I'm going to get over it.

Ashlie Marshall (23:09):

Then I'm going to move around, move on. So that's really important. When you're in a situation dealing with somebody else's instability, slow it down. Listen carefully to what they're saying. Take your own time to process it in whatever way that is, and just say, okay, I'm going to process this and I'll come back to you. If you're in a situation where you have to do that, and the next piece of that, doing that and saying, okay, I'm going to process this and then I'll respond by this day or time, that's also part of our next tip, which is boundaries,

(23:50):

Creating boundaries, personal, professional. You can even create boundaries like this with people in your family who are emotionally unstable. It's not just good for work, it's good for life in general, but if your boundary is, I don't want to respond emotionally. So what I'm going to always say in this scenario is, okay, I have heard your perspective, or I have heard your complaints, or I have heard your concerns. I'm going to take this information and I'm going to process it, and then I'm going to respond to you by Tuesday, end of day or next week, end of the week. That creates a boundary. It gives you a safe space to process what's happening. Then it allows you to tell them, I hear you, and I'm going to respond at this time. And it forces them to be patient with that. It puts them in this situation, okay, she's heard me, she's listened to me, and I'm going to get a response from her, right?

Whitney Ramirez (24:52):

Yeah. By the time you actually speak with them or go to address something, maybe the situation is kind of deescalated too. So it just makes it a healthier conversation.

Ashlie Marshall (25:05):

100% experienced that recently. So yes, set those boundaries. Try to move the situation into those parameters for you and for the other people and work through it that way. So top three tips here. Support system. Figure out what that looks like for you. Healthy support system, therapy, friends, family,

Whitney Ramirez (25:33):

A diverse support system too. Like you were saying, different friends or different things. You are my solver friend, and you have such good advice. And then I have Lindy, my super logical type a friend. It's like, here's my honest answer and here's what you can do. Or she'll just be open to venting. And then you have friends that also have the same thought processes as you, that

Ashlie Marshall (26:05):

Is

Whitney Ramirez (26:06):

Helpful. They understand, oh, I've thought about things that way before too. And then it's like you have friends that think way differently, and it's just helpful to get a broader view through people you

Ashlie Marshall (26:18):

Trust. I totally agree with that. It helps me to have people who think differently than me.

Whitney Ramirez (26:30):

Yeah, it does

Ashlie Marshall (26:32):

So much talk through things because sometimes I cannot see it any other way. And then when I have those conversations, it is so eye-opening,

Whitney Ramirez (26:43):

Eye opening. It's like, oh my gosh, okay, this is why you're my friend. Thank

Ashlie Marshall (26:48):

You. Thank you. I love you Hearties. So support system, diverse support system. Write your thoughts down. Document them in some way, an unsent email notes. It helps you to plan your response to the behavior. That's the goal. Planning the response. Don't just respond. What's that phrase? Don't listen to respond. Listen to retain giving yourself that system of I'm going to write this down and walk through this before I respond. Helps you to listen to retain and not listen to respond. And then boundaries. Hold your boundaries. Stay consistent with your boundaries. And you can do that in a respectful manner. My dad always used to tell me, you can say whatever you want to say at this table, as long as it's said respectfully. And I carry that through my entire life.

(27:46):

And I teach my children that. I teach my best friend's daughter that we talk about that you can say what you want to say, but you have to say it in a respectful manner. And as long as you learn how to do that, we can have that communication. So boundaries and doing it respectfully are great. But here's a tricky question, Whitney, we've just talked about working through other people's instability and how to navigate that in a professional setting and how to work through that and what's worked for us. But what if you're on the outside, what if the instability is not directly targeting you, but you're observing it and you're not sure what it is you're observing? How do you go through that? What should you do if you're on the outside of that?

Whitney Ramirez (28:33):

Well, I mean, one, you're observing, so you're already kind of somewhat involved. I think staying calm and kind of just being a witness is a helpful thing if you're in proximity or directly involved in the situation. But if you're indirectly involved, I think depending on how close you are to the people that you're seeing go through this, I think you can definitely ask questions and come in from, I dunno, just a trusted view like, Hey, I noticed this. And then ask the questions that you need to ask because you can't just observe something like that and then just ignore it.

Ashlie Marshall (29:21):

Yes. I think one lesson I learned, because I think I know I started on the outside of the instability, and I guess I had no clue what I was experiencing. And at that moment, I didn't even really know who I should say anything to because I wasn't sure who the unstable one was. Right. And as it turns out later on, it was more than one person with more than one type of instability and observing the behavior, something I would read if I had to go backwards and do it all over again, I think I would have shut my mouth more. I would've stopped trying to, at the time I thought I was standing up for what was right, and it didn't necessarily make anything worse or better. It didn't make a difference in any of it at the time or even later on. But if I would've been able to stay quiet more, I would've pinpointed the instability better,

Whitney Ramirez (30:39):

And

Ashlie Marshall (30:40):

I would've learned. Yeah, it's just like you don't know what you don't know until you know it. Exactly. You don't know what you don't know until you know it. And then it's like, hindsight's 2020. So don't necessarily insert yourself in the instability, but Whitney said, asking questions is a really great way because if you are very specific with the questions you ask, you're able to learn more in the

Whitney Ramirez (31:04):

Answer

Ashlie Marshall (31:06):

Than you are in the observing of the situation. And it will help you decide who is it? That's the end stable one, and how do you navigate that? But that's probably a whole other topic for another podcast. But our three tips for you for surviving other people's instabilities at work would be have your support system, a diverse support system, write your thoughts down in some form or fashion to help you plan a response and hold your personal boundaries, personal and professional boundaries, and be respectful with that. And if you are not the one that is in the war path of the instability, but you're observing it, find a trusted person. Preferably, if you have hr, go to hr, but ask questions, observe and document. The way you document is by that. If you have that person or that HR department send an email that says, hi, I observed these situations and these behaviors, I wanted to let somebody know. And that's a great way to do that. And it's a documentation of the behavior, and it's an outside perspective. And nine times out of 10, your HR or that trusted individual is already aware of the behavior and your documentation could be very helpful. So

(32:36):

Be brave. Yeah.

Whitney Ramirez (32:37):

You don't have to be scared because my mom got her boss fired because he slapped her butt and it was on a camera, and they pulled that camera and they fired him.

Ashlie Marshall (32:47):

But she was brave enough to say something, and she learned that other people were experiencing it, but they were not.

Whitney Ramirez (32:54):

Oh, yeah.

Ashlie Marshall (32:55):

They were not saying anything brave enough to say it. So kudos to your mom. But if you are in a situation where you are dealing with a challenging person whose behavior is very difficult to navigate, tell us your story. Leave us a comment. Tell us your story and tell us what you have found has worked for you. Or if you want help, we can maybe give you some great resources to find some really helpful. We should

Whitney Ramirez (33:24):

Do an advice episode.

Ashlie Marshall (33:28):

Ooh,

Whitney Ramirez (33:28):

I like that idea. I love giving advice. And you do too. So that might be fun. Life experience, man.

Ashlie Marshall (33:47):

All right. Well, this was fun. And this, take our tips, apply 'em to your situation. Let us know how it goes. If you enjoyed this episode, listening to Us Chit Chat, leave us a review and share with your friends. See y'all next time. See you.

‍